Comments on: Gibson for Dukes http://farmauthority.dcsportsnet.com/2007/12/03/gibson-for-dukes/ We cannot always build the future for our youth, but we can build our youth for the future - FDR Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:14:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.3 By: Three more months http://farmauthority.dcsportsnet.com/2007/12/03/gibson-for-dukes/#comment-44375 Three more months Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:06:19 +0000 http://farmauthority.dcsportsnet.com/2007/12/03/gibson-for-dukes/#comment-44375 <p>If your team has been depleted, and you are trying to boost their chances more quickly within a "plan", I have to say that it makes more sense to take this kind of chance than to sign Andruw Jones. To get Jones, who is currently a perfomance gamble, you would have to commit 3 years, at least (forget the cash). You are free to discard Dukes as quickly as you want, and the cost is a low prospect of unknown potential.</p> <p>Potential for potenial, this is a win. If Dukes pans out, then he is a keeper for many years before he even becomes a free agent. Remember- the rays were considered a team of the near future because of Delmon Young and Elijah Dukes before they failed a few more times for high draft picks. This could be another piece of a huge short cut, a big payoff from high-stakes poker. Unless Glenn Gibson makes the Hall of Fame and Dukes squanders his chances immediately, you have to understand the chance the Nats are taking.</p> If your team has been depleted, and you are trying to boost their chances more quickly within a “plan”, I have to say that it makes more sense to take this kind of chance than to sign Andruw Jones. To get Jones, who is currently a perfomance gamble, you would have to commit 3 years, at least (forget the cash). You are free to discard Dukes as quickly as you want, and the cost is a low prospect of unknown potential.

Potential for potenial, this is a win. If Dukes pans out, then he is a keeper for many years before he even becomes a free agent. Remember- the rays were considered a team of the near future because of Delmon Young and Elijah Dukes before they failed a few more times for high draft picks. This could be another piece of a huge short cut, a big payoff from high-stakes poker. Unless Glenn Gibson makes the Hall of Fame and Dukes squanders his chances immediately, you have to understand the chance the Nats are taking.

]]> By: Ric http://farmauthority.dcsportsnet.com/2007/12/03/gibson-for-dukes/#comment-44378 Ric Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:21:54 +0000 http://farmauthority.dcsportsnet.com/2007/12/03/gibson-for-dukes/#comment-44378 <p>Gibson is years away and, as you say, the Nats have a stable of young pitching from the last two drafts. This is a move for 2008 and 09, when Pena and Kearns could be in walk years. This means the Nationals will have (at least) Milledge, Dukes and Maxwell under control at reasonable prices in those years. Maybe Burgess too if he develops quickly. I agree with you that it is a good move. Maybe the Nats overpaid a little bit in light of Dukes' character issues, but they now have doubled the number of players in the system who appeared on Baseball America's "Top 100" lists in 2006 and 2007 (Milledge 9 and Zimmerman 15 in 06; Dukes 79 and Balestar 95 in 07). Influx of talent at this stage of franchise building is worth the risk, in my view.</p> Gibson is years away and, as you say, the Nats have a stable of young pitching from the last two drafts. This is a move for 2008 and 09, when Pena and Kearns could be in walk years. This means the Nationals will have (at least) Milledge, Dukes and Maxwell under control at reasonable prices in those years. Maybe Burgess too if he develops quickly. I agree with you that it is a good move. Maybe the Nats overpaid a little bit in light of Dukes’ character issues, but they now have doubled the number of players in the system who appeared on Baseball America’s “Top 100″ lists in 2006 and 2007 (Milledge 9 and Zimmerman 15 in 06; Dukes 79 and Balestar 95 in 07). Influx of talent at this stage of franchise building is worth the risk, in my view.

]]> By: Dick http://farmauthority.dcsportsnet.com/2007/12/03/gibson-for-dukes/#comment-44388 Dick Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:06:39 +0000 http://farmauthority.dcsportsnet.com/2007/12/03/gibson-for-dukes/#comment-44388 <p>Brian: If you read deeply enough and carefully enough, I think Chris at CP actually said it was a good deal for the Nats. Has he drunk the Kool-Aid?</p> <p>I hate giving up Gibson and think he is likely to have a better big league career than Dukes; however, this years drafting of three lefties made him available (especially since the other three are untradeable by rule). It must have been a fair trade because so many people are unhappy. Isn't that how you tell when something is fair, both sides don't like it? Dukes, on the other hand could be an All-Star with his talent, Gibson, not likely.</p> <p>If you bet the ponies, you know that you can do much better hitting a few long shots than by have to collect on every scratch bet you make! Good analysis, as always. That's why we come to you first.</p> Brian: If you read deeply enough and carefully enough, I think Chris at CP actually said it was a good deal for the Nats. Has he drunk the Kool-Aid?

I hate giving up Gibson and think he is likely to have a better big league career than Dukes; however, this years drafting of three lefties made him available (especially since the other three are untradeable by rule). It must have been a fair trade because so many people are unhappy. Isn’t that how you tell when something is fair, both sides don’t like it? Dukes, on the other hand could be an All-Star with his talent, Gibson, not likely.

If you bet the ponies, you know that you can do much better hitting a few long shots than by have to collect on every scratch bet you make! Good analysis, as always. That’s why we come to you first.

]]> By: Louis J. http://farmauthority.dcsportsnet.com/2007/12/03/gibson-for-dukes/#comment-44390 Louis J. Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:36:40 +0000 http://farmauthority.dcsportsnet.com/2007/12/03/gibson-for-dukes/#comment-44390 <p>I've calmed down since the initial annoucement of Dukes for Gibson. I hate to lose Gibson but I guess we couldn't keep all of those young LHP. Anyhow, John Lannan appears to be the same type of pitcher and was tutored by Gibson's father in the 2006 off-season. If Dukes & Gibson both reach their potential, Dukes will have a better ML career than Gibson. So I guess I have to hope that Dukes can control himself and reach that potential. Then I'll be at peace losing Gibson.</p> <p>The Nats do need position players who can hit. So far we have traded away Church, Schneider & Gibson for Milledge & Dukes. I lwould like tp keep Wily Mo and believe that he has as much "upside potential" as Milledge & Dukes. Add in Marrero, Maxwell, Burgess, Smolinski, King, Englund, etc and the Nats are starting to accumulate good young hitters. I hope these trades will work.</p> I’ve calmed down since the initial annoucement of Dukes for Gibson. I hate to lose Gibson but I guess we couldn’t keep all of those young LHP. Anyhow, John Lannan appears to be the same type of pitcher and was tutored by Gibson’s father in the 2006 off-season. If Dukes & Gibson both reach their potential, Dukes will have a better ML career than Gibson. So I guess I have to hope that Dukes can control himself and reach that potential. Then I’ll be at peace losing Gibson.

The Nats do need position players who can hit. So far we have traded away Church, Schneider & Gibson for Milledge & Dukes. I lwould like tp keep Wily Mo and believe that he has as much “upside potential” as Milledge & Dukes. Add in Marrero, Maxwell, Burgess, Smolinski, King, Englund, etc and the Nats are starting to accumulate good young hitters. I hope these trades will work.

]]> By: hartmanbirge http://farmauthority.dcsportsnet.com/2007/12/03/gibson-for-dukes/#comment-44394 hartmanbirge Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:49:36 +0000 http://farmauthority.dcsportsnet.com/2007/12/03/gibson-for-dukes/#comment-44394 <p>I like the deal... I don't love the deal. First, the Nationals now have assembled four outfielders who all have among the fastest bat speed in the game (Dukes, Pena, Milledge, Burgess). That bat speed goes a long way as a player adjusts through the course of his career. Second, the overall athleticism of the team has markedly changed - averaged out we now have a lot more power and a lot more speed through the lineup. It's a nice problem to have. Third, Gibson was dominating in Vermont but that doesn't necessarily translate to the ML level - polished? Yes. Dominating? Probably not. At most he projected to a 4th starter. The rise of Lannan I think (similar skills) made parting with Gibson a lot easier. But I liked Glenn Gibson. Fourth, any discussion whatsoever of benching Pena to me is out of the question - that bat needs to be in our everyday lineup. Fifth, if either Dukes or Milledge are on the bench it won't be long before they become unglued - just in their nature. Sixth, I can't wait to see the first on-field fight... the Nats can now kick some serious ass. Seventh, we now have some assurance - if one of our problem children implode then he could be gone in a heartbeat and we have a stud in his place to play every day.</p> I like the deal… I don’t love the deal. First, the Nationals now have assembled four outfielders who all have among the fastest bat speed in the game (Dukes, Pena, Milledge, Burgess). That bat speed goes a long way as a player adjusts through the course of his career. Second, the overall athleticism of the team has markedly changed - averaged out we now have a lot more power and a lot more speed through the lineup. It’s a nice problem to have. Third, Gibson was dominating in Vermont but that doesn’t necessarily translate to the ML level - polished? Yes. Dominating? Probably not. At most he projected to a 4th starter. The rise of Lannan I think (similar skills) made parting with Gibson a lot easier. But I liked Glenn Gibson. Fourth, any discussion whatsoever of benching Pena to me is out of the question - that bat needs to be in our everyday lineup. Fifth, if either Dukes or Milledge are on the bench it won’t be long before they become unglued - just in their nature. Sixth, I can’t wait to see the first on-field fight… the Nats can now kick some serious ass. Seventh, we now have some assurance - if one of our problem children implode then he could be gone in a heartbeat and we have a stud in his place to play every day.

]]> By: EdDC http://farmauthority.dcsportsnet.com/2007/12/03/gibson-for-dukes/#comment-44445 EdDC Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:22:08 +0000 http://farmauthority.dcsportsnet.com/2007/12/03/gibson-for-dukes/#comment-44445 <p>Just one thing about thinking you have enough young pitchers:</p> <p>I remember a long time ago when the O's GM gave away Curt Schilling and Pete Harnisch for a washed up old-timer, bragging that the O's came out ahead cuz they "traded from their surplus." That phrase has stuck with me over the years, since most of the pitchers the O's kept didn't do a whole lot in their careers.</p> <p>Anyway, the Nats went for the bigger upside, which is what you have to do to win (rather than just get to respectability).</p> Just one thing about thinking you have enough young pitchers:

I remember a long time ago when the O’s GM gave away Curt Schilling and Pete Harnisch for a washed up old-timer, bragging that the O’s came out ahead cuz they “traded from their surplus.” That phrase has stuck with me over the years, since most of the pitchers the O’s kept didn’t do a whole lot in their careers.

Anyway, the Nats went for the bigger upside, which is what you have to do to win (rather than just get to respectability).

]]> By: Will http://farmauthority.dcsportsnet.com/2007/12/03/gibson-for-dukes/#comment-44450 Will Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:20:23 +0000 http://farmauthority.dcsportsnet.com/2007/12/03/gibson-for-dukes/#comment-44450 <p>Even after seeing all the other trades, I don't like this one or think it makes sense. Dukes is to much of a risk. When giving up a player like Gibson the Nats need to get quality in return. Dukes has potential but has to many issues.</p> Even after seeing all the other trades, I don’t like this one or think it makes sense. Dukes is to much of a risk. When giving up a player like Gibson the Nats need to get quality in return. Dukes has potential but has to many issues.

]]> By: Jeff http://farmauthority.dcsportsnet.com/2007/12/03/gibson-for-dukes/#comment-47426 Jeff Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:47:59 +0000 http://farmauthority.dcsportsnet.com/2007/12/03/gibson-for-dukes/#comment-47426 <p>Dukes just needs to get out of Florida and away from a despicable franchise and play under the guidance of guys such as Barry Larkin (Who he's living with until spring) and Dmitri Young, Manny Acta, etc...</p> Dukes just needs to get out of Florida and away from a despicable franchise and play under the guidance of guys such as Barry Larkin (Who he’s living with until spring) and Dmitri Young, Manny Acta, etc…

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